Tuesday, February 24, 2009

lacie sucks

For the past year and a half, we've encountered many large capacity (500GB+) LaCie external hard drives suffer from power supply failures at various client locations. At first we thought one or two bad units is to be expected. Then we thought maybe there were some storms or other power events in the area that may have zapped some power supplies. Then, as more of these things died, we began to think there was a bad production run on these LaCie power supplies. At this point LaCie tech support began to blame APC Battery backups. They told me that if a LaCie power supply is plugged into an APC brand UPS, the power supply would eventually die. There was no further explanation other than it would happen. This sounded suspicious to me since 1) not all the dead power supplies were plugged into APC units 2) we have many other devices - large & small - plugged into APC battery backups of various models and absolutely none of those devices have had any problems at all.
 The other day we had yet another power supply die. This time I contact APC to see if there is any possibility of any truth to the allegations made by LaCie.  Yes and no. Here is what APC said:
A BackUPS will provide stepped approximation sine wave as output when it is on battery, few electronic equipment will not with stand with this type of output as they require pure sine wave AC current as input, which may lead to the issue as you have mentioned. This can be resolved by using higher end model UPS like Smart UPS which provide sine wave as their output.
I called tech support and got further clarification on this. They said that the only kinds of devices that would complain about a stepped sine wave power input would be devices that are sensitive to the frequency of the incoming power such as medical devices or even high end video editing equipment and maybe even some super-high-end server equipment... certainly not a consumer-grade external hard drive. AND remember to take in the fact that this step sine wave only happens when it is running on battery power. AND EVEN THEN, we ARE using SmartUPS units at a couple locations that have experienced LaCie failures!! AND many of these drives have died outside of any known power events like a blackout or power surge from a storm in the area.

I threw the ball back in LaCie's court and here is what they finally said: 

The problem with APC/UPS backup systems is that they are generally designed to support much larger devices than our drives; such as entire computer systems. As a result the power variance that they consider to be "acceptable" can often still be enough to cause damage to our power supply units. In many cases, having a unit like this on the same electrical circuit as the drives can cause problems, even if the LaCie drive is not plugged directly into the APC system.
So now LaCie says that as long as there is an APC battery backup hooked up in your building and you just happen to be on the same circuit as that UPS, you're gonna have a LaCie power supply failure!!

I realize that I'm not an Electrical Engineer and we never got that deep into electrical circuits in my Physics classes in college, but this smells fishy to me. If there was something that caused THIS much trouble and had the potential of zapping an entire circuit in a building just by being plugged in, wouldn't this device have been blocked by Underwriter Laboratories before being released for sale on the market?  

Out of all the electronic devices we use or encounter on a daily basis, LaCie is the ONLY one that can't handle "normal" power variations.  HP inkjet printers hold up well. Maxtor external drives work well. Macs, PCs, speakers, stereos, routers, cable modems, LCD panels, scanners, iPod chargers, DVD players... they all hold up just fine when plugged into APC battery backups.  I will never purchase LaCie drives again and I'd recommend you don't either.

40 comments:

Bob Friesenhahn said...

What LaCie told you is pure BS. I have had six LaCie power blocks fail here which were plugged into various high-grade continuous conversion UPSs which produce a pure sine wave output.

It is much more believable that these power blocks have a design problem. They run very hot and the plastic case does nothing to help with cooling.

Bob

mcclint said...

I totally agree. LaCie will not get my money or recommendations any more because they are so full of BS that they can't even come up with a plausible explanation for their problems other than "It ain't us"

Anonymous said...

I agree totally! LaCie sucks!

We have a bunch of LaCie Externals... where would be the best place to buy a replacement power supply?

mcclint said...

Most of our drives are still under warranty and that's the only way we've been able to get replacement power supplies. I haven't been able to find 3rd party power supplies with the same specs anywhere. When these drives are out of warranty and the power supplies die, we're screwed.

Anonymous said...

thanks mcclint,
I'll just buy replacements from lacie.

Anonymous said...

I've 3 Lacie disks, and all 3 power block have failed TWICE !!!!
I've replace all my lacie power supplies with an old PC power supply (cost 0).
You just need 5v and 12v...
Works fine since :)

Anonymous said...

I purchased two LaCie d2 HD Quadra external HDDs two years ago and had a very noisy fan on the first drive just two months after setting it up.
The replacement I got did the same thing.
The second drive I bought at the time I bought the first one is now on its way out and won't mount.

LaCie quality is piss poor. I suggest you go to Tom's Hardware to read some reviews of better drives.

bwooster said...

I had the same problem on my Lacie d2. My drive is under warranty. The TS support guy was very pleasant, didn't try to blame any other hardware and offered to send out the ps asap. He diagnosed the ps issue by the fact that the drive makes a low ticking sound when it's turned on.

PS issues with Lacie are all over the web. There are plenty on Amazon reviews. There have been reports of these issues for years. Bizarre that they would rather deal with the customer service issues instead of just fixing the ps problem.

Unknown said...

Hi Anonymous (3:33 AM, July 20, 2009),

You stated "I've replace all my lacie power supplies with an old PC power supply". Could you give me some simple guidlines or maybe some instructions on how you did this?

Thanks..

Anonymous said...

Same story here, ps went dead, got new one from lacie under warranty and now it goes again and out of warranty. Double of the price listed in the US site (I live in Canada) plus shipping comes to $50, not really worthy for something I know will go again in about a year.
People should stop buying any of their products, they might get the hint. I would appreciate if someone know of a cheaper replacement (not a lacie one, I'm not going to give them any more business), as the previous post said, what old PC ps fits ?
Thanks !!

Anonymous said...

Same experience. Never again will I buy ANY LaCie product. very single drive I've bought from them has had a power unit failure (I have about 4 or so). One was replaced under warranty but the hassle of contacting them is rediculous. There is no telephone number for theur support department just an online form. I've used that and also contacted their sales dept vie email but they have not yet responded to either in over 6 hours in the case of the online form.

Anyone who is planning to buy LaCie... don't do it!

mcclint said...

There is a tech support number, but the fastest I ever got a human being was after 75 minutes waiting on hold. All new tech support instances are done via the online form. I agree that it is also a very slow process.
It does no good to complain because HQ is in Europe. The American tech support agents you reach via phone or email just do as they are told. They have no power to even escalate issues to engineering.
The company doesn't care enough to grant powers to the people who are their only contact with the consumers. LaCie doesn't want to work with me, then I don't want to give LaCie any more money.

jjdeluxe said...

I have 2 ED Network drives (one is mine, the other was for a friend who found it too difficult to use, so it sits in my drawer).

Six months ago the power supply died after being about a year old. Fortunately I have 2 of these pieces of junk (web management console is horrendous), so I swapped out the power supply from the dormant drive.

Now it's dead, after just 6 months!

and now I hear all these stories on the web of the exact same issue.

I like the idea of fashioning a new power supply from quality parts.

Not happy with this product.

jjdeluxe said...

Here's one example of a DIY power supply. You'd have to wire up the 4 conductor cord, and the AC cord.

http://www.trcelectronics.com/Meanwell/rd-65a.shtml

amy said...

I just came on here to say that i agree! LACIE SUCKS! There customer service is the worst in the world! They do not stand by their products and do not try to fix a clearly present and ongoing problem. I will NEVER EVER invest in a Lacie product!

DBR Systems, Inc. said...

Same problem here. I've had (4) power supplies fail and currently have (2) dead. I have (3) seagate drives sitting beside the Lacie's and they have never given any issues.

Lacie SUCKS!

Any word on some 3rd party supplies for the Lacie drives?

Leo
http://www.eokhq.com/profile/LeonardKnight

Anonymous said...

Hmmm... I wonder why OS X is saying something like "Please Eject Volumes before removing them from the computer." I also wonder why TimeMachine is failing to back up my computer. Well, that is because LACIE sucks. I mean really sucks! I just bought on faith, and now I found out that the 1 TB "Big Disk Extreme" uses striping?!?! Level 0 on two 500gb drives. DUMB! Really DUMB! I mean grr!!! Oh yeah... they don't stand behind their products and thanks for blogging about this stuff. Its a nice way to warn folks about bad hardware vendors such as Lacie. Gonna check out Drobo and FreeNas.

Corey Watt said...

I am new to these troubles, I have a 750GB Lacie and it's not mounting and making a pile of noises. What happens when the power supply fails? Lots of beeps at start up followed by clicking and then a bad bearing sound for the rest of the time.. (I know, very technical..lol)

M.Capan said...

Hmmm... I just created a support ticket on the LaCie site... hope they offer to replace my PS (power supply... though we may be tempeted to say POS). I've read people have opened theirs to see capacitors swelling and possibly a bad supply from China during that time. Don't know. Would hate to have to spend $20 on Ebay getting a new supply but sure dont want to risk the data.

J. May said...

We have 13 LaCie drives, and after three of the power supplies failed, they sent me three more...Gee Thanks...they were three more of the same Sh*ty power supplies and all three failed over 14 months.

Tech support's solution is to have you buy a replacement, making their problem- my problem. If I'm going to have to spend money to fix their problem, I will buy other drives. Don't bother looking for a Customer Relations Department- they don't have one.... not that that is any kind of surprise or revelation.

Anonymous said...

Lacie really sucks. Crappy products all around, I have had one for 2 years and it's a total pain in the ass. Terrible support, and this french company has a serious attitude problem.

Avoid all lacie products like the plauge and save yourself a LOT of aggrivation and frustration.

Anonymous said...

Freeze after backup
Klaus U.
Abgeschickt: 20. Januar 2010 @ 01:42
I recently installed the eSATA PCI card in an Intel P4 server machine running up to date Windows Server 2003 R2 SP2, using the driver software from the CD which came with the product. When running NT Backup, or any other backup management software utilising the Windows VSS, the system freezes without any hint in the event logs of why. I couldn't find a suitable driver for the product on your website, so I got the latest from Silicon Image, which is Version 1.0.62.0 but that didn't solve the problem. The connected disk is accessible thru normal operations though.

Klaus U.
Abgeschickt: 20. Januar 2010 @ 03:45
OS Version = 5.2.3790.2.0.131088 Computer Brand = Intel Computer Model = SBK1A001 Bios Revision = SE7221BK1E.86B.P.08.00.0034.063020060918 Bios Name = Ver: SE7221BK1E.86B.P.08.00.0034.063020060918 Bios Release Date = 2006-06-30T00:00:00 Locale ID = 1033

Tom H.

Abgeschickt: 21. Januar 2010 @ 02:01

Good Morning Klaus,

My name is Tom, and I will be more than happy to help you with your LaCie Hard dive. First of all I would like to thank you for choosing LaCie, and we apperciate your patience and turst in our products. I believe you are facing some difficulties with the backup software. Please try to install another backup program, Click here to download the LaCie backup program.

Please let me know the results from the above procedure,

Thanks

Tom

Klaus U.
Abgeschickt: 21. Januar 2010 @ 03:23
Hi Tom, thanks, but we just bought Symantec Backup Exec for a lot of money and I would rather like to solve the issue on a technical level. BTW, did you read the description of the error condition at all ? Its not about any LaCie drive, its about the eSATA PCI card.

Klaus U.
Abgeschickt: 21. Januar 2010 @ 03:46
I think its a driver issue and a conflict with the built in SATA controller, running two RAID 0 arrays. Do you have any other driver software for the card ?

Tom H.

Abgeschickt: 21. Januar 2010 @ 06:09

Good Morning Klaus,

Thanks a lot for your response, I am really sorry for the misunderstanding. There is a software update for the PCI card eSATA Click here to download it.

Please let me know the results from the above procedure,

Thanks a lot

Tom

Klaus U.
Abgeschickt: 21. Januar 2010 @ 12:51
Thanks for the link to your downloads page. Thats the kind of support I appreciate most. Which one is the driver update ? This one ?

http://www.lacie.com/uk/support/drivers/driver.htm?id=10071

Its not even accepted as a driver to be installed with the card.

Heres one more link for you:

http://mcclint.blogspot.com/2009/02/lacie-sucks.html

Anonymous said...

I have 5 lacie externals - 1 died from the power failure - lost all data. Second one would not mount, discovered it was a bad power supply. LaCie replaced it free of charge after I bitched about it because it was widespread on the internet. Then 2 other hard drives died as well. Will power up - but not fully. These are 250 gb nas drives and they are the only brand I have EVER had problems with. My Western Digitals keep plugging along. My Maxtors keep plugging along - but LaCie frankly - blows big time. I would avoid them like the plague. Nice job Lacie - you have a past customer who will do his best to let others know what crap I went through with your product. I have lost three times as much time and money than the cost of all those drives I bought. I now know the remaining two are GOING to die any minute. I am replacing them with ANY other brand, and then take a bat and destroy the two that appear to be working - otherwise they will implode and ruin an otherwise fine day. I guess I can then say "I beat LaCie to the punch". DO NOT BUY THEIR CRAP!

Anonymous said...

On the 24th of this month my lacie 1Tb bid disk failed. This was attributed to the power supply failing.

I use a UPS with a pure sine wave too.

Contacted the store at our home town and they sent this to the importer/distributor.
after 4 weeks I managed to call the distributor and they said that:
1. Lacie HDD power supplies are NOT covered under warranty. B.S!
(Even though the warranty I have states 2 years!!)
2. Lacie has made a design change on the latest model therefore by design alone they admit that it is a DESIGN/MANUFACTURING FAULT.
The interesting thing is that the voltage is the same- go figure!

3. But now I have to wait 7 weeks for a replacement to be sent!! Also I have to pay for something that is clearly a manufacturing fault. WTF!

I wish I never bought this piece of CRAP!

Ron McOuat said...

Tim in Australia has a good explanation why this happens.

http://www.fixya.com/support/t1782491-power_cord_buzzes_macpro_not_recognize

There are 3 1000uF 16V caps in the 12V supply and when the disk turns off like when you eject it the supply drifts up to 19V which kills them with over voltage. I have 2 d2 500G units that are 2 years old, both power supplies replaced under warrantee and now one of the replacements has failed.

Here is a you tube video someone posted fixing the supply using 25V caps.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XnGN1utvQzw&feature=response_watch

Why they don't see this as a problem and fix it with a mew design is beyond me. I live in Canada and although I have a 3 year guarantee they want the old one back before they will send a new one and shipping alone is over $25.00 which is the US replacement cost but in Canada they want close to $50.00. I wouldn't mind if the replacement was a new design but if I have to do this every year then I am fixing mine. The failure I have is identical to the video 3 caps bulging on top.

shogun said...

Lacie is not going to a get a penny of my money anymore. They refuse to replace a defective drive. It is ok, I will buy another one from someone else, but I want everybody to know that Lacie sucks big time. It is not possible to suck more than they do.

Anonymous said...

Should have check LaCie's reputation before I purchased... shame on me... I bought the Big Disk Extreme+ 1 TB ext HD. It failed after 6 months. Noisey and done...So, they replace with a discontinued model d2 quadra. Within 1 month noises, clicking, etc. I let them know that their replacement is failing and the response I get is that my original unit is no longer under warrenty - out of luck dude... But we'll be happy to provide you with a loyality discount towards the purchase of any piece of our crappy HD... Really? No thanks! I'd rather spend a little extra for a named brand who stands by their product... UFB!

Scott said...

I am about to replace my power supply for the second time. I'm done with Lacie. Does anyone have a recommendation on external HD for video editing. I have a Buffalo drive that works. Any others?

Anonymous said...

I just opened the box of my "NEW 320 GB LaCie Petit Hard Disk" and it would not mount. I called LaCie support and they said I could not "speak to anyone unless I paid $14.95 FEE.

Anonymous said...

I have three external LaCie hard drives, I have had power supply problems before AND after using an APC battery backup. I have been through at least 6 power supplies. They essentially have cut me off so these drive enclosures are going in the trash and I will put the drives themselves in a DROBO.
I work for a big computer retail store that sells LaCie, I have so many of these brick type power supplies fail. What I find really ironic is if these power supplies were reliable then why did LaCie change the power supply they use and why did they change the connector so they are not interchangeable?
LaCie should have initiated a recall and upgraded the drives to the new design.

Unknown said...

They are still at it. Here's a link to my story http://dirkgentlyholisticblog.blogspot.com/ but the gist of it is I have two of their NAS devices, one of which failed. Of course the one that failed is off warranty and basically lacie Support told me to send the drives to a data recovery company because they won't support that device any more. It's barely 3 years old, was their brand new device when I bought it, and basically it's useless. You are right, i wouldn't buy another of their products again.

Anonymous said...

Let me say I'm posting with insid knowledge of the issue, so let me clear up a few things.

While many users have concerns about power supplies few are technicaly knowledgable about the "nuts and bolts" of hard drives, technology, limitations, design.

First on the power supply issue. I can tell you having inside knowledge of actual statistics that 99% of all claims of power supply failures are related to a very old "4 prong" power supplies. This power supply has not been of LaCie drives for 3 years, and LaCie was the first to engineer this out of it's drives - compared to G-Tech for example who did it nearly 2 years after LaCie. At the time these 4 prong PSes were necessary because of the type of drives and bridges that existed at the time. Everyone had them, and everyone had the same PSes. 4 prong means 12V and 5V power is carried, and there is a chance that the user doesn't pay attention to the keying of the power supply plug and plugs it in the wrong way or attempts to plug it in the wrong way when AC is connected to wall. The power supply is designed in such a way as to "blow it's built in fuse" in an effort to protect the drive's electonics. After all, what's more important to you, drive with data or easily replacable power supply which you can replace without shipping your drive and your data?

Is this a flaw? No more than FireWire400 plugs was a flaw. The technology and intentions were good, but during the rough life of an external drive many users plug the power supply in many times and if they are not attentive they may plug it in the wrong way.

What you should know. LaCie pre-tests and pre-formats all it's drives. They are the only rack-mountable, desk rackable drives. They are the only drives available with Enterprise Class Drives. They come with many value added features which anyone who's used them appreciates and values. They are fairly priced and offer Advance care options. They were first to engineer the 4 prong power supply out of the drives, with most other competitors doing it 2 years later. Just because the drives is very popular and many users have bought it and enjoyed it, don't let some old PS failures impact your judgement. And by the way, if we checked here I'm sure we'd fine some 4, 5 or 6 year old units here, not anything made after start of 2008.

What would you rather have? A 40MB/s Drobo for $900 - please, a LaCie 2TB d2 Quadra is twice the speed for 1/4 of the price.
Would you rather have a cheap WD Essential? IOmega Select? Seagate Expansion? All cheap bare plastic with 1 year warranty and not even a backup application included? A bricking Seagate is your choice?

Bottom line - good luck finding a drive better than a d2 in price, value or quality. Finally, due to my Advertising access, I can tell you that their attention to detail in quality, design, pre-testing/formating and even the Setup Assistant that comes on the drives for easy setup is second to none. And remember, external drives have a tough life out there! Treat them with some care. Unmount, don't move when spinning, plug power first to drive so that if you make a mistake it's not carrying power. Once you plug it in then connect to AC outlet.

Anonymous said...

I experienced this issue six months after purchase and I thought that it was just the drive dying. So, what good is a warranty if it doesn't include data recovery and transfer? So, I just packed it up in a box hoping that someday I could afford to get the data off of those drives.

It turns out that after moving to a new office I pulled out the drive after almost two years and plugged it in with my fingers crossed. Needless to say it was doing the same thing. So, I tore the sucker open to see what was going on and plugged the drives (striped 2x500GB) into another computer, but couldn't get them to mount, which I assume was because they should be installed together. I decided to search the internet and whoa! I couldn't believe the quantity of the experiences so similar to mine. LaCie is garbage no matter how you try to swing it "Anonymous - 'I have experience'" - their support gave me some crap excuse about the dirty or unregulated power my drive was plugged into. After that failed attempt to avoid blame they told me that my drive was out of warranty. Well, duh! I like most other people thought my drive was dead, lost for ever. Having no money to afford the recovery I saved the drive just in case. I'm glad I did now because I still have a chance at recovering my data if I get a new power supply.

LaCie has a worthless support system and they don't understand the marketing value of an existing and new customer. Instead of sending a new power supply to me (that cost them maybe $3) they would rather piss me off and tell me to go pound sand and waste 100x that on securing a new customer. Totally pointless... I can't believe they're so stupid - admit the problem, fix it, and earn some respect. Instead they blame everyone else but themselves.

Anonymous said...

5 power supplies in two years have failed here. Lacie was good about replacing two of them free two years ago. I've just contacted them about the 3 new failures and we will see how they respond.

They did give me the BS about the UPS power issue as well even though they chose to replace those supplies. The 3 new failures were not plugged into a UPS anyway. This is lame. These are great drives but CRAPPY power supplies.

mcclint said...

Now all our drives are out of warranty and LaCie will no longer provide free replacement power supplies. They sent me a link to their online store to buy replacements. http://www.lacie.com/products/product.htm?pid=10717 We bought two - one to replace the one that just died and another for a spare. We hooked one up and it worked fine for 3 days, then it died. We hooked up the 2nd power supply and it's been ok for 2 weeks now. We are just trying to get our money's worth out of them before we just replace the LaCie boxes with something else.

Anonymous said...

I have two customers with the same problem. Lacie told them to stick it.

Anonymous said...

I must be just lucky, then. I have a 12 year old LaCie 4Gb still running on an old Mac, then, attached to a G5, LaCie 500Gb, 1500Gb and 2Tb drives which to date have not had any problems. Has it got anything to do with the local voltage? I am in the UK and our voltage is not the same as in the US.

Anonymous said...

Hi Foaks,

I had the same problem twice with my Lacie ethernet disk mini 500 GB. The device looked as it was working fine: ethernet connection leds lit up normally, harddisk was running smoothly, when connected to usb a device was found, but connecting to the device (finding it on your connected computer) was impossible.

Cause: some failure of the powersupply.

So I can imagine that this is pretty frustrating and will take a lot of time to find this out.

On the internet you will find this problem a lot, sometimes with various additional problems (sound from the powersupply, strange sound from the harddrive).

On youtube someone made a video of it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTZ7EvSJnng

Lacie knows that the these powersupply's do not functional properly.

I hope this will help all other 'victims'.

Anonymous said...

They are rubbish power supplys, I Have 8 fail on me not even being plugged into any kind of UPC, Lacie make rubbish power supplys, always have done, probably always will do, they do not give a hoot in hell about it either. Theyre should have been a class action lawsuit a long time ago but most people dont have time for such things.

Answer is try never ever to buy lacie product ever again let theyre brand ROT on the retail shelves, if lacie dont want to make decent power supplies then no-one should buy from them. All electronics should be manufactured and offered with at least a 5 year warranty anything else is basically environmental suicide.

Szymon Wiscnosion said...

Hello,

I can't believe that I am wasting my time to write this, but I feel like I have to. NEVER BUY FROM LACIE. They wasted so much of my time and so much of my money (YES THEY HAD ME MAIL AN ITEM 3 TIMES AND SAID THAT TTEHY WONT REPAIR IT FOR REASONS UnkNOWN 3 TIMES ON MY COST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) totally over 20 euros. They debated me for almost 3 months overall (for a freaking 80 euros harddrive that was their defect). I swear to god they piss me off so much I can barely write right now my hands are shaking so much. I would tear their fucking bitch faces from their skull and shove it up their asses. fuck fuck fuck FFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUCCCCCKKKKKKKK LACIE IN THE FUCKING ASS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111

God dammit fuck you lacie I hope all of your fucking workers rot in hell you piece of shit bullshit french company...

Thank you for your time and I hope all of Lacie's victims have a nice day.

- Szymon